So..Why 'The Pearl'?

[R]

With the other hatches, we can pretty much guess with a fair amount of accuracy why they have been named their respective names - Swan, Arrow, Staff.

However, what about the Pearl..I mean why 'The Pearl'? Is their some significance of meaning behind that name?

The only thing i can think of right now is that Pearls are found in the sea [Duh]..so does the Pearl hatch have an underground tunnel that runs underneath the sea to another island or something [ie, where the cable goes?].

Any ideas as to why it's been named the Pearl?

Or is this [also] why the episode is called "?"..because this in itself is a mystery?

[Ché]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 15, 2006 08:40 am

The only thing i can think of right now is that Pearls are found in the sea [Duh]..so does the Pearl hatch have an underground tunnel that runs underneath the sea to another island or something [ie, where the cable goes?].

Any ideas as to why it's been named the Pearl?

I think that's definately the most likely assumption that we can make with the information we have so far, but as the only part shown was that monitor room it's hard to tell what else is in the hatch. I didn't see any other doors to enter different parts of that hatch but there must be other bits as surely there is another entrance for the people that were (meant to be) in there.

Apart from that, I can't think of any relevance 'Pearl' would bear to it. Pearls are shiny, but I didn't see anything shiny in there

Originally Posted by KoRevo

With the other hatches, we can pretty much guess with a fair amount of accuracy why they have been named their respective names - Swan, Arrow, Staff.

Sorry to take this a little off-topic but what is the relevance of the name 'Swan' for the Swan hatch?

[R]

Originally Posted by Ché,September 15, 2006 09:51 am

I think that's definately the most likely assumption that we can make with the information we have so far, but as the only part shown was that monitor room it's hard to tell what else is in the hatch. I didn't see any other doors to enter different parts of that hatch but there must be other bits as surely there is another entrance for the people that were (meant to be) in there.

Apart from that, I can't think of any relevance 'Pearl' would bear to it. Pearls are shiny, but I didn't see anything shiny in there

Sorry to take this a little off-topic but what is the relevance of the name 'Swan' for the Swan hatch?

Yeah thats a good point - we only saw the monitor room..so were there more rooms possibly I really need to watch that episode again methinks.

But yeah, Im thinking there must be underground tunnels that link the Pearl to other hatches or perhaps even the questio mark. Perhaps this is why Yemi wanted them to find the Pearl..not because it IS the question mark..but rather becaus eit 'leads' there?

Afterall if we think about Pearls..arent they found inside Oysters? ..So perhaps this is an analogy to the Pearl being a link to it's Oyster - The Question Mark hatch or whatever it is?

Ahh, as for the relevence [or Possible relevence/meaning] behind the 'Swan'. Swans apparently represent "the divine inspiration in our world" - now this could be in a religious sense..but it could also be in an enlightenment/scientific sense, which would also fit into this whole island thing.

Some more symbolism:-

"The association of the swan with wisdom and creativity appears also among the Greeks who considered that bird related to the nine Muses. It is said that when Apollo was born at Delos, the event was marked with flights of circling swans" - remember that there were Apollo Bars inside the Swan hatch..

"It is in the form of a swan that Zeus assaults Leda and in so doing, engenders the twins -- the Gemini -- Castor and Pollux, who hatched from eggs and also their sisters, the tormented Clytemnestra, and fatefully beautiful Helen, whose elopement with Paris is cause for the Trojan War" - remember the 2 twins who were on the boat in exodus..possible significance there maybe?

"Despite the fact that the swan is generally judged the most beautiful of the large water birds, we can see in its long, graceful, serpentine neck, a kinship to the snake" - Now the Staff hatch has the unversal Cadecus[sp] medical symbol on it. This symboln is represented by a staff and 2 intertwined snakes around it..surely this ties in with the Swan symbolism mentioned above.

There is quite alot of other symbolism that links to the Swan and indeed when applied to the Swan hatch and the island..it begins to make sense.

[Ché]

Wow, very good spots there! Glad I joined these forums, would never have even given a thought to the logos in the hatches if I didn't!

It does all make sense to an extent, just looked up Cadecus on google image and the correct spelling is 'Caduceus' (no offence!) which has to be a Greek word as well..

Good idea about the Pearl possibly being the link to the 'Oyster' as well.

One more thing I noticed in that extract you put in above,

"The association of the swan with wisdom and creativity appears also among the Greeks who considered that bird related to the nine Muses."

Probably nothing, but isn't there nine monitors in the Pearl? and Muses are;

1. Greek Mythology Any of the nine daughters of Mnemosyne and Zeus, each of whom presided over a different art or science.
2. muse
a. A guiding spirit.
b. A source of inspiration.

The first 2 points in that list could loosely tie in with the hatches as in the 'nine muses' presiding over a different art or science in that each different hatch seems to have a different scientific purpose, and 'a guiding spirit' as in people watching over the Swan hatch in the Pearl.

Hm..

[Pynch]

Originally Posted by KoRevo

However, what about the Pearl..I mean why 'The Pearl'? Is their some significance of meaning behind that name?

hmmm - good question....* the only thing I can think of is that a pearl is made from the dirt and rubbish gathered by the oyster on its travels.... which might refer to the analysts in the Pearl hatch - gathering all the data from experiments and sending them off to Hanso.....

but the 'link to the oyster' theory is much better!*

[R]

Originally Posted by Ché,September 15, 2006 12:10 pm

Wow, very good spots there! Glad I joined these forums, would never have even given a thought to the logos in the hatches if I didn't!

It does all make sense to an extent, just looked up Cadecus on google image and the correct spelling is 'Caduceus' (no offence!) which has to be a Greek word as well..

Good idea about the Pearl possibly being the link to the 'Oyster' as well.

One more thing I noticed in that extract you put in above,

"The association of the swan with wisdom and creativity appears also among the Greeks who considered that bird related to the nine Muses."

Probably nothing, but isn't there nine monitors in the Pearl? and Muses are;

1. Greek Mythology Any of the nine daughters of Mnemosyne and Zeus, each of whom presided over a different art or science.
2. muse
a. A guiding spirit.
b. A source of inspiration.

The first 2 points in that list could loosely tie in with the hatches as in the 'nine muses' presiding over a different art or science in that each different hatch seems to have a different scientific purpose, and 'a guiding spirit' as in people watching over the Swan hatch in the Pearl.

Hm..

lol, I know..it's good to be a part of a forum where you can share ideas and pick up on things that you may have missed etc

Caduceus..yeah, always spell that wrong

Good point about the 9 monitors and the 'muse'..or perhaps more of a possibility is the muse/hatch link that you mention. As there are 6 hatches [possibly 7 or even 8 according to the map!]..and we know that inside each hatch a different field of science is/was studied [like you said]. So perhaps a different arm of Dharma used to preside over them. I wonder who presides over them now? I mean..does Dharma still see the hatches as theres..or do they belong to HF now. Well, we know that Locke doesnt want them! hmm..maybe Eko..

But seriously, interesting point!

[R]

Originally Posted by Pynch,September 15, 2006 01:23 pm

hmmm - good question....* the only thing I can think of is that a pearl is made from the dirt and rubbish gathered by the oyster on its travels.... which might refer to the analysts in the Pearl hatch - gathering all the data from experiments and sending them off to Hanso.....

but the 'link to the oyster' theory is much better!*

Hmm, yeah it's a toughie this one. You might have a point in the info gathering aspect of the Pearl..

Although, just had a thought - Pearls are shiney..a bit like the lens of a camera ..and we know that it's purpose was to observe other hatchea via video camera.. ..ok..poor attempt, but maybe!

[Ché]

Originally Posted by KoRevo,September 15, 2006 04:23 pm

Although, just had a thought - Pearls are shiney..a bit like the lens of a camera ..and we know that it's purpose was to observe other hatchea via video camera.

Oi!

Originally Posted by Me

Apart from that, I can't think of any relevance 'Pearl' would bear to it. Pearls are shiny, but I didn't see anything shiny in there

[R]

Originally Posted by Ché,September 15, 2006 06:39 pm

Oi!

Lol, sorry i forget that you did mention 'shiney'..but you didnt mention anything about their [possible] relation to the cameras, lol

[Ché]

Yeah well in the post you made before the last one you spelt hatch as 'hatchea' so mywhaaa (that is the sound I made lol) so there!

Hehe sorry Kor. It is a good point about the 'shininess' of the cameras, could link with it. Can see no more plausible explanations!

I reckon things will become more clear as the episodes progress though.

As we (or you) have noticed about the credibitlity of the Swan hatch explanation though, I think things will become clearer about the name of the Pearl hatch soon it later episodes, even if it is obscure references to it..

[Indie]

Possibly that a rough looking oyster holds inside it something incredibly valuable? Maybe the Peral is the Island's...pearl, and holds a secret that is incredibly valuable?

[E Pluribus Unum]

Originally Posted by Indie88,September 15, 2006 10:22 pm

Possibly that a rough looking oyster holds inside it something incredibly valuable? Maybe the Peral is the Island's...pearl, and holds a secret that is incredibly valuable?

I do like this better than the 'shiney camera' theory..

Let's call that 'Theory B' shall we

[Audio Pineapple]

A pearl is not only valuable but it is also hidden inside of an oyster. This means that the pearl is like a hidden treasure, a 'prize' for opening the oyster.

So, if everything is an experiment, the cameras and the film could be Locke and Eko's 'prize' for getting to the next level of the Dharma Experimental Game.

[hundredand8]

The question mark wasn't actually a question mark, but a circle. If you are not convinved, look at the picture posted by E PLURIBUS UNUM in this thread:

http://www.lostcommunity.co.uk/forums/inde...p?showtopic=670

Pearls are circular.

So maybe its just the circle on the ground that gave the Pearl its name. And thats a clue to the fact that the Pearl is in fact not the "?".

Oh, and Jin already told us that there are no Oysters.

Sorry this is a bit boring...

[E Pluribus Unum]

I can't take all the credit. I got the image from another thread on this forum