The real McCoy or is it

[esn]

So the centeral control hatch has been revealed then and the whole button pressing thing is a sham. And Locke was heading for the right place after all when he went for the plane with Boone, just kinda miss read the signals.

Rather odd that there are other cameras in this pearl hatch. And that this is five of 6 not 1 or 6 of six has you would expect. double bluff maybe?

Wonder if they will tell the rest of them when they get back? shows how much faith Locke has lost in finding his destiny

[StoneRose]

Was this hatch the central hatch or just another one like the Losties hatch??

Was this definately the ? hatch that was on the map or just another 'side' one which they found?

[Pynch]

When Eko got to the top of the cliff - he looked down and saw...... was it a ? in the grass? I thought at first it was just a circle, but I need to see it again as it would make more sense if it was a ?

I thought that too esn - why number 5? I would have thought that was number 6 (there is no 6 on the map tho... ) and how come there were tv screens for all the other hatches (presumably) but none of them worked except the swan one? maybe they alternated the hatch screens when new people came to work there? Or maybe they are there as a tease - to see if the workers would try and fix the other screens and watch the other hatches?

I dunno!

[esn]

Originally Posted by Pynch,September 06, 2006 01:35 pm

When Eko got to the top of the cliff - he looked down and saw...... was it a ? in the grass? I thought at first it was just a circle, but I need to see it again as it would make more sense if it was a ?

I thought that too esn - why number 5? I would have thought that was number 6 (there is no 6 on the map tho... ) and how come there were tv screens for all the other hatches (presumably) but none of them worked except the swan one? maybe they alternated the hatch screens when new people came to work there? Or maybe they are there as a tease - to see if the workers would try and fix the other screens and watch the other hatches?

I dunno!

I think the dead screens indicates to me that the expereiment ended but somhow the lines of communication were lost along the way

[StoneRose]

Originally Posted by Pynch,September 06, 2006 01:35 pm

When Eko got to the top of the cliff - he looked down and saw...... was it a ? in the grass? I thought at first it was just a circle, but I need to see it again as it would make more sense if it was a ?

I thought that too esn - why number 5? I would have thought that was number 6 (there is no 6 on the map tho... ) and how come there were tv screens for all the other hatches (presumably) but none of them worked except the swan one? maybe they alternated the hatch screens when new people came to work there? Or maybe they are there as a tease - to see if the workers would try and fix the other screens and watch the other hatches?

I dunno!

I thought it was a circle, it didnt look like a ? did it. Again i'd have to watch it again to be sure but im pretty sure it was a circle

[Mantis Zero]

I think it was just a ? drawn in the grass, and the plane was over the dot



I think the pearl hatch is also an experiment, it just didnt add up. Station 5 of 6? Surely this would be a seperate station to the experimental ones or at least be number 6? I think the fact that Dr Marvin Candle also gave himself a totally differant name in the orientation video shows that none of the people in the seperate hatches communicate with each other.

"They believe what they are doing is of the upmost importance". To me this does not say that it isnt important, but if the people in the Pearl dont know what exactly the tasks entail how could they keep accurate logs? It just doesnt make sense

[Murgatroyd]

Originally Posted by Mantis Zero,September 06, 2006 03:26 pm

I think the pearl hatch is also an experiment, it just didnt add up. Station 5 of 6? Surely this would be a seperate station to the experimental ones or at least be number 6? I think the fact that Dr Marvin Candle also gave himself a totally differant name in the orientation video shows that none of the people in the seperate hatches communicate with each other.

"They believe what they are doing is of the upmost importance". To me this does not say that it isnt important, but if the people in the Pearl dont know what exactly the tasks entail how could they keep accurate logs? It just doesnt make sense

Certainly monitoring people pressing buttons doesn't seem to me to be any more rewarding a task than pressing buttons. The real difference seems to be the length of duration of a stay in the Pearl hatch - if they really did pick their workers up after only three weeks for a debriefing back at the 'barracks', wherever that may be, that sort of implies that they are a little more in the know that the more abandoned Swan hatch occupants. Then again, if it's all explained via an orientation video once esconsed in the hatch, that suggests a total lack of pre-mission preparation - all hatch occupants presumably know nothing until they're inside their respective hatches and have only the word of Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund to go on. And I bet neither of those are his real name.

I want to know why Eko believes that pushing the button is valuable in itself - is he actually saying that hollow faith, when you know full well there's nothing behind it, is worth something? Is he going to push the button himself now in the belief that it serves no purpose in itself, but perhaps it'll prove character building for him or will tell those monitoring him (if they still are) that he's willing to do something on faith alone even when that faith should have been all but shattered? Showing them that even logical disproving won't break his faith? Or does he simply disbelieve the video?

[Hordriss]

Originally Posted by esn,September 06, 2006 01:40 pm

I think the dead screens indicates to me that the expereiment ended but somhow the lines of communication were lost along the way

What it suggests to me is that the close-circuit cameras have been nadgered in all hatches other than the Swan, strongly implying that the Others do not want Dharma spying on their activities (finally giving us excellent reason to suppose that Dharma and the Others are far from being in cahoots).

However, there must be more to the Swan than Candle / Wickmund (what are the odds he'll be calling himself Jeremy Waxman in the next vid?) would apparently like his lowly personnel to believe. The air-drop indicates that someone desperately wants to keep the Swan operating, in spite of the decayed condition of the "experiment" and the total lack of any observers in the Pearl. That would be taking mere scientific curiousity to ludicrous proportion (so we can safely assume a hidden agenda).

[Hordriss]

Incidentally, can anyone remember which flashback characters were smokers? I'm sure that cigarette wasn't left there for nothing...

[esn]

Originally Posted by Hordriss,September 06, 2006 08:09 pm

What it suggests to me is that the close-circuit cameras have been nadgered in all hatches other than the Swan, strongly implying that the Others do not want Dharma spying on their activities (finally giving us excellent reason to suppose that Dharma and the Others are far from being in cahoots).

However, there must be more to the Swan than Candle / Wickmund (what are the odds he'll be calling himself Jeremy Waxman in the next vid?) would apparently like his lowly personnel to believe. The air-drop indicates that someone desperately wants to keep the Swan operating, in spite of the decayed condition of the "experiment" and the total lack of any observers in the Pearl. That would be taking mere scientific curiousity to ludicrous proportion (so we can safely assume a hidden agenda).

suppose that could also be an better solution, and one that fits in better with what i belive in

[St. Anger]

So, do you reckon the Otthers want the Losties to find these hatches, or is it the island? The dreams helped Mr Clean find the Swan, and now Eko's dreams find the Pearl.

What's the force behind all this?

Maybe the '?' is central on the map, although not particularly more n.b.

Liam was a smoker.

[Hordriss]

Originally Posted by St. Anger (o'_'o),September 07, 2006 01:30 am

So, do you reckon the Otthers want the Losties to find these hatches, or is it the island? The dreams helped Mr Clean find the Swan, and now Eko's dreams find the Pearl.

What's the force behind all this?

Maybe the '?' is central on the map, although not particularly more n.b.

Liam was a smoker.

Based on current evidence, I would say the island - or rather the spiritual forces which have been messed about with there by DHARMA's experiments (In particular, their attempt to "feng shui" the whole island to optimise these forces to their benefit - hence the "Bagua" DHARMA logo, which is also the shape of the blacklight map). I would guess that they had control of this energy for some time, and were even able to use manifestations of it to their purpose (the security system). However, it is now completely out of their control, and working through the castaways to reverse / stabilise the damage that has been inflicted.

Just a theory... I know many don't approve of the supernatural angle, but I maintain that an entirely realistic solution at this stage would require the sort of anticlimactic revelations more akin to "Scooby Doo" (e.g. Discovering hidden speakers inside a tree, finding a man hidden in the bushes with a smoke-gun, catching whoever's been slipping the hallucinogens into the water supply etc).

[Pynch]

oh good one Hordriss - so the 'force' on the island, whatever it is, might just be working randomly - with no real purpose, and no plan? its meant to show people the future, show them their problems, but whether those problems get resolved, or those futures are played out - thats either up to the losties themselves, or its a random result from the force??

need to have coffee......

[Hordriss]

Originally Posted by Pynch,September 07, 2006 08:13 am

oh good one Hordriss - so the 'force' on the island, whatever it is, might just be working randomly - with no real purpose, and no plan? its meant to show people the future, show them their problems, but whether those problems get resolved, or those futures are played out - thats either up to the losties themselves, or its a random result from the force??

need to have coffee......

Not necessarily randomly. Perhaps acting on its own initiative. We cannot even overlook the possibility of a "collective intelligence" composed of the spirits the of unfortunates who've bitten the dust on the island and whose voices may be audible (or at least decipherable) in the whispers. The almost certain use of some manner of Feng Shui by DHARMA when laying out their bases (in accordance with the Bagua, if the UV map is any authority) raises some possible supernatural issues, to quote Wikipedia...

The effect of proper feng shui on the living is thought to carry over to the afterlife. In traditional feng shui belief, the feng shui of cemeteries affects the state of the dead spirits and, indirectly, their living descendants. Spirits of the buried were believed to remain at their gravesites or by the homes of their kin, and just as bad feng shui harms relaxation and ease of mind among the living, the spirits of people buried with bad feng shui will be anxious and restless, and therefore more likely to bring chaos to their kin. This reasoning led to careful feng shui planning of cemeteries. Conversely, desecrating the feng shui of the grave of an enemy's ancestor was thought to be a powerful weapon.

[St. Anger]

Very interesting stuff there man!

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